I know exactly where Atlantis was located! 😀 The Caribbean… the Venezuelan Basin. There’s evidence for it everywhere if you know where and how to look. I know exactly how and why it sunk ‘in a single day and night’ as described by Plato.
It’s not a myth, it’s a historical account of real civilisation that was once the most powerful empire on Earth.
12,800 years ago a number of cometary debris fell from the sky (‘Skyfall’), and struck mainly the Northern hemisphere ice sheets, from North America across to Europe and even Syria (Hancock, Collins etc.), this caused not just catastrophic flooding, but ALSO the seismic shifting rise and fall of minor tectonic plates around the globe, in what a small number of researchers call ‘the piston hypothesis’ (Flembath)… … one such tectonic plate that literally sunk in a single event is the Venezuelan Basin (the Caribbean Plate)… the answers you seek lie under the Caribbean Sea my fellow prediluvian Atlanteans!
(You’d be surprised how may people from the intelligence world have literally thought…
‘Fuck this shit, you’re all mental… I’m finding Atlantis’… If anyone has any money, I’ll prove my theory once and for all!)
Published March 10, 2010
The Caribbean Region with the many islands of the West Indies is favoured by a number of authors who find in the writings of classical writers evidence of very early knowledge of the islands in the western Atlantic by the peoples of the Mediterranean. As a source, these ancient authors have to be treated with great care, as so much of the historical and geographical details are at best second-hand and sometimes just conjectural if not fictional. This is compounded by the fact that so many of these early writers borrowed from each other so that an early ‘fact’ that is erroneous could be transmitted unchecked for centuries if not permanently.
The seas around many of the Caribbean Islands are quite shallow indicating that during the last Ice Age the exposed land area must have been considerably larger. If Atlantis existed in this region there are many candidate locations.
An American researcher, Amy Smith, has produced a website(a) claiming that Atlantis had been located on a now demolished landbridge linking Cuba with the Yucatan Peninsula, in the Caribbean and was destroyed at the end of the last Ice Age when the Mississippi was dramatically swollen by meltwater from the retreating glaciers and poured into the Gulf of Mexico, which was then an enclosed sea. This in turn led to the breaching of the landbridge linking Cuba and the Yucatan Peninsula and the destruction of Atlantis in its vicinity. Smith has recently expanded on the events leading to the destruction of Atlantis(b).
Edgar Cayce’s followers in A.R.E. have focused their attention on the Bimini sector of the Bahamas, although Greg Little opted for a location just north of the Isle of Youth off Cuba. Andrew Collins is also convinced that Atlantis was in located near the Isle of Youth, while, more recently, Norman Frey has added his support to the same locality.*Mel Fisher claimed to have found Atlantis in the vicinity of Cuba, but failed to reveal the exact location before his death.*The Italian researcher, Emilio Spedicato, has chosen the nearby island of Hispaniola.
Gábor Bihari, the Hungarian researcher, submitted a paper to the 2008 Atlantis Conference outlining his view that Plato’s Alantis story was loosely based on reports of a very ancient empire in the Caribbean brought back to Europe by refugees from there after it was inundated at the end of the last Ice Age.
In December 2009, we were subjected to one of the periodic claims that Atlantis had been ‘found’, this time in the Caribbean. Poor quality images were offered as evidence of a submerged city. While it is understandable that the discoverers might be reluctant to disclose the exact location, it is more difficult to understand why they were equally unwilling to disclose their own identities. They also claimed, without evidence, that the structures predated the pyramids of Egypt. Funds are now being sought for a fully fledged expedition.
Jay/Brad Yoon offered support for a Carribean Atlantis in a short 2012 book, Atlantis Shrugged, in which he claims that a dry Caribbean Basin, 13,000 feet below sea level, was home to Atlantis, but the surrounding ring of mountains retaining the ocean was shattered by an earthquake and flooded Atlantis.
(a) http://www.losthistorypublishing.com/Catastrophy.html (offline 05/09/15)
(b) http://www.losthistorypublishing.com/Atlantis.html#Support (offline 05/09/15)
Abstracting Atlantis: Scientists Find Evidence of Mayan Underwater City
06/03/2010 04:02 pm ET Updated Dec 06, 2017
In December 2009, Herald de Paris published a curious article about the likely discovery of a submerged city in the Western Caribbean. While the discovery could have tremendous implications for modern archaeology, the story remained, forgive the pun, largely under the radar.
Today, we sit down with architectural historian and archaeologist Jes Alexander, who spearheaded the research team, to get the first-hand details of what could be a piece of real-life Atlantis. REAL LIFE. REAL NEWS. REAL VOICES. Help us tell more of the stories that matter from voices that too often remain unheard. Subscribe Now
Maria Popova: What is it, exactly, that your team discovered and how?
Jes Alexander: Well, we believe we have found the remains of an ancient city on the sea floor in the Western Caribbean. It is important to note that we have yet to be to the site, but what we believe we have found is the remains of an ancient city that was formerly above sea level, and perhaps as much as 4500-8000 years old. This has nothing to do with another site, found almost 10 years ago by a Canadian/Russian team working to map the sea floor near the Yucatan Peninsula. Their site is nearly 2 miles below the sea floor. The site we are working with is much shallower – in between 40 and 70 feet of water. We initially found anomalous objects by mapping a grid and searching the sea floor using simple Google Earth technology. As we zeroed in on the site location, we sought out other satellite imagery and ocean floor maps to arrive at this hypothesis.
In the initial images from Google Earth, the digital interpretation of the site made it look like a perfectly grid-like city, with tall buildings and wide avenues. We knew that there was no way it could be that pristine, but it was eye-popping when we first found it. As we have focused in on a more realistic impression of the site, it is clearly in ruins, as anything might be after that long. So, how do we know it was a habitation site? I was, for many years, an architectural historian, involved extensively with historical archaeology. I know what architectural ruins look like, in fact, I am specifically trained for that. What we’re seeing on film now are images of foundation ruins, rubble sections of building walls, and ruins of large public edifices. Some of what remains standing clearly show evidence of intelligent structure – post and lintel construction, parallel wall sections, and right angles – things that could not be explained as having been natural in origin.
For comparison: A satellite view of actual ancient grid-like city structure
We’ve been sharing all this data with some of the biggest names in marine archaeology. Many are intrigued.
The location of this site was once above the ocean’s surface. If you look at the topography of the Caribbean sea floor, it is fairly evident that much of the Caribbean island chain was once part of a contiguous land mass. This site generally sits on what would have been a coastal plane.
Some of what we’ve discovered looks similar to early Mayan architecture, so we are leaning towards that as a hypothesis as it is largely unknown where the Maya civilization came from. It is our hope that we might be able to fill in this missing part of the historical record with our research.
MP: Is it true that the exploration was inspired by a reported sighting from a plane window by Earnest Hemingway’s brother? What’s the full story there?
JA: That’s true. In 1954, Ernest Hemingway’s brother, Leicester, was on his way from the US to Havana, to meet with his brother, the renown author and war correspondent. At one point, Leicester Hemingway was looking out the airplane window, and claims to have seen, “A city of glistening marble,” below the sea. He then spent the next 40 years of his life trying to find it, again. He never did, but for the latter part of his life, Leicester Hemingway was obsessed with the story of Atlantis.
MP: If the city is indeed there, what could possibly explain how it ended up underwater?
JA: In that part of the Caribbean, there could be several explanations. The most likely is very organic. During the end of the last Ice Age, it is known that as the polar ice caps melted, the ocean rose about 166 feet for every hundred years. If this city sat on the coastal plane, it is more likely that the sea lel rose to engulf the city than that the city sank to the sea floor. However, given the convergence of tectonic plates in the region, earthquakes can’t be discounted. Lastly, there is believed to have been a massive meteor in the Atlantic about 11,000 years ago. The resulting tsunami could have contributed to the demise of the city.
MP: Is the site at all affected by the recent oil spill?
JA: That’s an excellent question, one I have been asking lately, as well. Given the location of the subject site and its depth, albeit shallow, at this point I do not think so, or should I say, “Not yet.”
MP: What are your next steps? Essentially, what would it take to find conclusive evidence as to whether or not this is indeed a submerged Mayan city?
JA: Well, evidence keeps pouring in. I have heard from individuals who claim they have seen this site from the air, as well. One man emailed me to say he, too, saw it in the 1950s, and so did the rest of the passengers on his flight. He thanked me for proving that what he saw as a young man was actually real. So, too, I have heard from researchers from Mexico, Cuba, and other locations, who all hold separate pieces of what may be the same puzzle. They believe their research also points to a once great city now lost to the sea. We’ll be following up with all of them to set the historical record straight.
The similarity of the architecture alone can not identify this as the Maya. But if it is, we should find evidence of stone-carved writing, art and other cultural similarities to support this hypothesis. The earliest known Mayan sites are high in the hills, and nobody knows where the civilization came from to settle there. Now, if their cities were being swallowed by the rising sea level, it stands to reason that any civilization might reasonably be expected to relocate to higher ground on the mainland. I am keeping an open mind, but that’s what I think happened here.
At the moment, we’re working to assemble and fund a very small reconnaissance team of experienced divers, underwater cameramen, and researchers to go down and prove what we are certain is there. Thereafter, we’d like to raise the capital to undertake a larger-scale mapping of the site, exploration, and ultimately to bring any artifacts up to the surface. One thing we are trying to be very careful not to come across as is artifact robbers. The site sits within the territorial waters of another country. Whatever is down there belongs to the government and the people of that country, and we hope to make sure that anything of cultural or historical importance remains in that country. We’ve found it – that alone does not make it ours.
BY DR P P FLAMBAS
A SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS
ABOUT THE BOOK
Plato’s Caribbean Atlantis is a scientific analysis of the Ancient Greek philosopher Plato’s writings about the lost civilisation of Atlantis. The book’s analysis is based on Plato’s two written works about the Atlantis story, the Timaeus and Critias. Plato wrote these two documents, called dialogues, in about 360 BCE. They are the only known works that describe the civilisation of Atlantis in detail.
Plato wrote about a prehistoric civilisation with Bronze Age technology that existed more than nine thousand years before his time. He describes the Atlanteans’ civilisation as an aggressive imperial military power that originated on a large “Atlantic island” located in the Atlantic Ocean. The Atlanteans conquered and enslaved Western Mediterranean cultures and then attempted to expand their empire by conquering more cultures in the Eastern Mediterranean. The Atlanteans were defeated in a war by the remaining free Mediterranean people and were eventually driven entirely from the Mediterranean region. Sometime after the Mediterranean war, the Atlanteans’ homeland on the “Atlantic island” sank into the sea during devastating earthquakes and floods. Plato also describes the details of a prehistoric Athenian society that fought in the war against the Atlanteans but was itself destroyed by natural disasters.
Why would anyone living in the 21st century be interested in a story written over two thousand years ago about a lost civilisation? Dr Phil Flambas, a medical practitioner living in Sydney, Australia poses this question at the core of his comprehensive manuscript about the lost civilisation of Atlantis. His thoughtful response to the persistent question of “Did Atlantis Really Exist?” will leave readers and explorers itching to find out whether and where it may be found.
Plato’s Caribbean Atlantis uses Plato’s geographical descriptions of the “Atlantic island” to locate it in the Caribbean region. The book argues that the Atlantic Island was once a large landmass above sea level that “sank” and now forms a large part of the Caribbean Sea floor. If the Caribbean was the centre of an Atlantean civilisation over eleven thousand years ago, then the first human civilisation developed in the “New World” of the Americas, not in the “Old World” civilisations of Mesopotamia, India, China or Egypt.
Plato’s Atlantis story in the Timaeus and Critias dialogues is based on the writings of the Ancient Greek political leader called Solon. Solon was an important historical figure in Athens in the 6th century BCE, almost two centuries before Plato lived there. During the early 6th century BCE, Solon traveled to the the city of Sais in the Nile Delta in Egypt where he met with Egyptian temple priests who possessed “sacred records” concerning Atlantis. The Egyptian priests showed Solon those ancient historical records and told him the story of Atlantis. They told him about events that had occurred nine thousand years before Solon’s time, which is over eleven thousand years ago. Plato apparently received the Atlantis story in the early 4th century BCE. It was contained in a document that Solon wrote based on what he saw and heard in Egypt. Plato then used the details from Solon’s document to write about Atlantis in the Timaeus and Critias dialogues.
The many thousands of books and articles already written about Atlantis attempt to describe it and the locations for it but they satisfy few of Plato’s detailed descriptions. Plato’s Caribbean Atlantis gives rational and scientific explanations for all of the features of the Atlantis story contained in Plato’s writings. It also includes a geological explanation for the existence and destruction of the large island in the Atlantic Ocean that was the centre of Atlantean civilisation.
Plato’s Caribbean Atlantis is the result of a six-year project dedicated to explaining Plato’s Atlantis story and its description of Atlantis and its empire. It is aimed squarely at the science behind Plato’s descriptions; its purpose is to convince people of the truth of Plato’s Atlantis story. The book applies recent scientific knowledge from various disciplines to explain Plato’s descriptions of the Atlantic Island and the Earth at the time he specified. The main subject areas in the book include Ancient History, Archaeology, Climate Science, Geology, Human Prehistory and Palaeontology.
Plato’s Caribbean Atlantis investigates and tries to answer many questions that no one has adequately answered up to now, with the main questions being:
• Was the Egyptian priests’ story of Atlantis copied and transmitted accurately over thousands of years in the “sacred records” that Solon saw?
• Did Solon have an accurate translation of the Atlantis story from Egyptian to Greek?
• Did Plato believe Solon’s story of Atlantis to be true?
• Were Plato’s dialogues on Atlantis accurately transmitted from Plato’s time to the present day?
• Assuming Plato’s geographical descriptions are accurate, where was the Atlantic Island and what did it look like?
• When did humans settle on the Atlantic Island and how did they get there?
• Did our human ancestors of over eleven thousand years ago have the physical and intellectual capacity to develop the technology of a Bronze Age civilisation?
• Is there any continuity of the prehistoric civilisations and cultures Plato describes for the Atlantean Empire and Mediterranean? What is the archaeological evidence for cultural continuity at those locations?
• Could the Atlanteans have created the technology that Plato describes? What are the equivalent technologies from known ancient civilisations?
• What prehistoric climate events could have caused the numerous “deluges” and other “destructions of mankind” described by the Egyptian priests in the dialogues?
• What geological events might explain the destruction of the prehistoric Athens?
• What geological mechanism might explain the creation and destruction of the Atlantic Island?
• Where could researchers look for physical evidence of the truth of Plato’s Atlantis story and the prehistoric Atlantean and Mediterranean worlds Plato described?
Dr Flambas’ exciting and original work faces these questions head-on with a narrative that is at once as readable as it is thought provoking. He explains, “I want people like me who are curious about Plato’s Atlantis story to keep searching for answers. My ultimate goal is for serious researchers to go where I believe Atlantis and its empire once existed. I want them to find material evidence of Plato’s story, which he claimed was fact and not fiction. As a medical practitioner, I know the importance of evidence-based practice and debunking the many myths that surround the Atlantis story is no different. So much pseudoscientific rubbish has been written about Atlantis in the past that I felt compelled to demonstrate the truth of Plato’s descriptions with the facts presented in this book. If the science is there, it is hard to ignore it.
What Happened to the Sunken City of Cuba?
Just over a decade ago, a team of explorers were working on an exploration and survey mission off the western coast of Cuba when their sonar equipment picked up a perplexing series of stone structures lying some 650 metres below the surface. The structures appeared completely analogous against the barren ‘desert’ of the ocean floor and seemed to show symmetrically organized stones reminiscent of an urban development. A media flurry soon ensued with news sites sporting headlines such as ‘Atlantis Discovered in Cuba’ and ‘Lost City of the Caribbean Found’. However, the finding also attracted the attention of the government, national museum, and national geographic, who all made promises to investigate the strange sonar images. Now, ten years on, the story has disappeared into obscurity. What ever happened to the sunken ‘ruins’ of Cuba? Were they ever fully investigated? And why has the media fallen silent on this unusual discovery?
The discovery was first made in 2001 when Pauline Zalitzki, a marine engineer, and her husband Paul Weinzweig, owners of a Canadian company called Advanced Digital Communications (ADC), were working on a survey mission in conjunction with the Cuban government off the tip of the Guanahacabibes Peninsula in the Pinar del Río Province of Cuba. ADC was one of four firms working in a joint venture with President Fidel Castro’s government to explore Cuban waters, which hold hundreds of treasure-laden ships from the Spanish colonial era. The team was using advanced sonar equipment to scan a 2 square kilometre area of the sea floor when they noticed a series of symmetrical and geometric stone structures resembling an urban complex.
Map showing location of supposed ancient city discovered by Paul Weinzweig and Pauline Zalitzki. Image source .
Upon studying the sonar images, Zalitzki observed what appeared to be unusual formations of smooth blocks, crests, and geometric shapes. Some of the blocks looked like they were built in pyramid shapes, others were circular.
In July 2001, they returned to the site with geologist Manuel Iturralde, senior researcher of Cuba’s Natural History Museum, this time equipped with a Remotely Operated Vehicle to examine and film the structures. The images revealed large blocks of stone resembling hewn granite, measuring about 8 feet by 10 feet. Some blocks appeared deliberately stacked atop one another, others appeared isolated from the rest. Zalitzki said that the images appeared to reflect the ruins of a submerged city but was reluctant to draw any conclusions without further evidence.
“These are extremely peculiar structures, and they have captured our imagination,” said Iturralde, who has studied countless underwater formations. “But if I had to explain this geologically, I would have a hard time.”
Estimating that it would have taken 50,000 years for such structures to have sunken to the depth at which they were said to be found, Iturralde added “50,000 years ago there wasn’t the architectural capacity in any of the cultures we know of to build complex buildings.” A specialist in underwater archaeology at Florida State University added “It would be cool if they were right, but it would be real advanced for anything we would see in the New World for that time frame. The structures are out of time and out of place.”
In the media storm that followed the announcement of the discovery, news sites were quick to draw parallels with the fabled lost city of Atlantis. However, Zelitsky and Weinzweig were unwilling to make such comparisons. The story is myth, said Zelitsky. “What we have found is more likely remnants of a local culture,” once located on a 100-mile “land bridge” that joined Mexico’s Yucatan Peninsula with Cuba. Iturralde added that there are local legends of the Maya and native Yucatecos that tell of an island inhabited by their ancestors that vanished beneath the waves. Nevertheless, Iturralde does not discount the possibility that the rock formations are merely the result of the wonders of Mother Nature. “Nature is able to create some really unimaginable structures,” he said.
Despite hundreds of media outlets reporting on sunken cities, advanced civilizations, the lost city of Atlantis, and submerged ruins, there are others who are not so willing to accept this point of view. Keith Fitzpatrick-Matthews from the debunking website Bad Archaeology, claimed that the depth of the alleged remains are the biggest problem for the sunken city proponents. During the Pleistocene, which was characterised by a series of ice ages, sea levels dropped significantly, but the maximum drop was around 100 metres .
“At no point during the Ice Age would it have been above sea level unless, of course, the land on which they stand has sunk. This is the claim made for Atlantis: according to Plato’s account, it was destroyed “by violent earthquakes and floods”. However, if we take Plato at his word – as we must if we assume Atlantis to have been an historical place – the violence of its sinking makes it improbable that an entire city could have survived plunging more than 600 m into an abyss,” writes Fitzpatrick-Matthews.
If we assume that he is right and that these stone structures do not reflect an ancient submerged city but are simply products of nature, then surely geologists and other scientists would be quick to jump on the finding and investigate what freakish event of nature caused such peculiar formations. Strangely, however, there have been no reported follow-up investigations and news outlets have gone deathly silent on the matter. What happened to all the promises from the government, national museum, National Geographic, and other scientists to carry out further surveys?
The quick dismissal of the story has led some to question whether there has been a suppression of information regarding the finding. However, Fitzpatrick-Matthews claims the story simply went cold and that in the end experts were not convinced that Zelitsky had really discovered a sunken city.
Featured image: Reconstructed Image taken from the sonar scan of the sea floor off the coast of Cuba.
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DOUGLAS G. RICHARDS Atlantic University, Virginia Beach, VA 2345 1
Abstract-Controversial claims have been made for the presence of anomalous underwater archaeological sites in the Bahamas by a number of investigators. The proponents emphasize extraordinary explanations for the anomalies and tend to bypass the scientific journals in favor of popular presentations with little scientific rigor. The skeptics debunk selected claims for some of the sites, do not adequately address the prominent anomalous aspects, and attempt to fit explanations with which they dis- agree into a general category of cult archaeology. This paper reviews the work of the proponents and skeptics, discusses some of the reasons why they are unable to reach agreement, and addresses the relevance of the controversy to the response of the archaeological community to extraordinary claims.
A new underwater archaeological site in the
Bahamas opens up the mystery once again